No real reason in talking about Gammis or vision hooks when there is OWNER CUTTING POINTS, nothing will ever touch these hooks. Penetration is second to nothing, once a fish is hooked you need a winch to pull them out of their mouth!!! Owners cost a couple bucks extra per pack but when you have a 62lb chinook on the wall, and a 29.25lb steelhead from southwest WA both were on 2/0 owners you'd realize that a couple extra dollars makes a real difference. Gamakatsu has to be the worst hook on the market they have the worst and smallest barb, may as well fish with a pinched barb, and for Vision at least they have a barb and really no further comment....

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