Well thread calmed a bit so to SB question and we all had thoughts. So here is one. Call it what you may hooking / release moralities / drop out and these terms and words have meaning and are woven throughout the model. Then this fact in our terminal area ( all really ) fisheries mortality numbers, you know the total impact of conducting fisheries, are not close to accurate and it is not that it is not known that the error ( and it is sizable ) is present it is rather just accepted by everyone, except SB, as long as seasons move forward. To be honest I doubt that many really would want to know because frankly the disruption in how business is done with seasons would implode.