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#270935 - 08/25/04 01:17 PM Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Lawyer Quits Bush Campaign
Ginsberg Advised Anti-Kerry Group
By SHARON THEIMER, Reuters

WASHINGTON (Aug. 25) -- An election lawyer for President Bush who also has been advising a veterans group running TV ads against Democrat John Kerry resigned Wednesday from Bush's campaign.

''I cannot begin to express my sadness that my legal representations have become a distraction from the critical issues at hand in this election,'' Benjamin Ginsberg wrote in a resignation letter to Bush released by the campaign.

''I feel I cannot let that continue, so I have decided to resign as national counsel to your campaign to ensure that the giving of legal advice to decorated military veterans, which was entirely within the boundaries of the law, doesn't distract from the real issues upon which you and the country should be focusing.''

Ginsberg's acknowledgment Tuesday evening that he was providing legal advice to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth marked the second time in days that a person associated with the Bush-Cheney campaign had been connected to the group, which Kerry accuses of being a front for the Republican incumbent's re-election effort.

The Bush campaign and the veterans' group have said repeatedly that there is no coordination.

Lawyers on the Democratic side are also representing both the campaign or party and outside groups running ads in the presidential race. Ginsberg's dual role has drawn attention because of an ad the Swift Boat Veterans group ran accusing Kerry of exaggerating his Vietnam War record, an issue that has dominated the campaign since early August.

Kerry has fired back by accusing Bush of using the group to run a smear campaign for him. Democrats have jumped on any tie, even if legal, to back up that claim.

''The sudden resignation of Bush's top lawyer doesn't end the extensive web of connections between George Bush and the group trying to smear John Kerry's military record,'' Kerry-Edwards campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill said Wednesday. ''In fact, it only confirms the extent of those connections.''

In Ginsberg's letter to Bush, he accused the media of a ''stunning double standard'' between its focus on the activities of groups supporting Kerry and those that oppose him.

Kerry is the subject of complaints by the Bush campaign and the Republican National Committee accusing his campaign of illegally coordinating anti-Bush ads with soft-money groups on the Democratic side, allegations Kerry and the groups deny.

Neither campaign has produced proof of coordination on the part of its rival.

Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once.

In addition to the FEC's coordination rules, attorneys are ethically bound to maintain attorney-client confidentiality, Sandler said. They could lose their law licenses if they violate that, he said.

Ginsberg said Tuesday he never told the Bush campaign what he discussed with the veterans group, or vice versa, and didn't advise the group on ad strategies.

The group ''came to me and said, 'We have a point of view we want to get into the First Amendment debate right now. There's a new law. It's very complicated. We want to comply with the law, will you keep us in the bounds of the law?''' Ginsberg said in an interview with The Associated Press. ''I said yes, absolutely, as I would do for anyone.''

Ginsberg said he had not yet decided whether to charge the Swift Boat Veterans a fee for his work.

On Saturday, retired Air Force Col. Ken Cordier resigned as a member of the Bush campaign's veterans' steering committee after it was learned that he appeared in the commercial.

Ginsberg represented the Bush campaign in 2000 and became a prominent figure during the Florida recount.

He also served as counsel to the RNC in its unsuccessful lawsuit seeking to overturn the new federal campaign finance law, which banned the national party committees from collecting corporate and union contributions and unlimited donations known as soft money and imposed stricter rules on coordination involving parties, candidates and interest groups.

Larry Noble, head of the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics campaign watchdog group and former FEC general counsel, said it's true that serving as a lawyer for both a campaign and a soft-money group isn't considered automatic evidence of coordination under commission rules, but he added that it doesn't mean the FEC won't look at it.

''I think there's a valid question about when you're talking about strictly legal advice and when you're talking about policy issues and strategic issues,'' Noble said. ''It's fair to ask what the advice is about.''


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Ginsberg said Tuesday he never told the Bush campaign what he discussed with the veterans group, or vice versa, and didn't advise the group on ad strategies.
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Believe that and I will assume you have all seen the Easter Bunny. No connection?

Right? :rolleyes:
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#270936 - 08/25/04 01:22 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Okay, last time....Let's try this again:

AP original story


Quote from that story:

Quote:
Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once.
Please try again.......
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#270937 - 08/25/04 01:47 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Gee... there's nothing wrong with it at all. It just gives the APPEARANCE of something wrong, or he wouldn't have resigned. \:D
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#270938 - 08/25/04 02:46 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Originally posted by AuntyM:
Gee... there's nothing wrong with it at all. It just gives the APPEARANCE of something wrong, or he wouldn't have resigned. \:D
So you think its okay for democrats but not republicans....That is what you are saying.

Thats ok, while you continue to attack the messanger, the message stays.
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#270939 - 08/25/04 02:49 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Where did I attack the messenger? I think you're mistaken or paranoid.

Righteousness hasn't stopped you neocons from endorsing LIES about John Kerry.

What's good for the goose.... \:D
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#270940 - 08/25/04 03:37 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Originally posted by AuntyM:
Where did I attack the messenger? I think you're mistaken or paranoid.

Righteousness hasn't stopped you neocons from endorsing LIES about John Kerry.

What's good for the goose.... \:D
The messanger are the SBVT. More and more proof comes out about his "time in Nam" and more and more he is caught in lies....

Your right, what is good for the goose....
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#270941 - 08/25/04 04:02 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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The liars were already exposed. Go read a newspaper. It wasn't Kerry that lied.
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#270942 - 08/25/04 04:04 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Originally posted by AuntyM:
The liars were already exposed. Go read a newspaper. It was Kerry that lied.
Your right, Kerry was exposed as a liar. Can't forget that Cambodia fib now, can we.....

BTW AM, I supplied spellcheck for you for free on your quote..... ;\)
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#270943 - 08/25/04 04:21 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Let's see, we have 4 SBV exposed by the mainstream press as liars so far...

Hoffman
O'neill
Elliot
French, who I hope gets fired for his lie.

We also have several accounts saying Kerry could very well have been in Cambodia, since some of the rivers the SBV's were operating in were within a few miles of Cambodia and some of the channels were in Cambodia. Kerry got the date wrong. Men do that. It's legendary.

I'm guessing that you'd try and make just about any claim you could, but you'd STILL BE WRONG! The whole group is a REPUBLICAN FUNDED LIARS CLUB.
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#270944 - 08/25/04 04:30 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Keep telling yourself that AM and someday you may actually believe it.....


It was SEARED into my memory I tell you...SEARED!



What do you say about his first purple heart earned by the so called firefight when in his own journal he states that they hadn't seen combat in over nine days and that time period covers when he was supposed to be injured....

Washington Post article

Yep, keep drinking that Kool-Aid. Just don't forget to go to the bathroom.
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#270945 - 08/25/04 04:38 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Oops, my list should be five. Thurlow's account has been debunked also.

As to the diary, that is subject to interpretation, like most communications. Only Kerry knows for sure. HOWEVER...

It's his Commanding Officer who's is supposed to verify. I guess if his CO lied (we already have proff that he did) he did it for his OWN personal reasons. Like getting brownie points.

Hoffman should be ashamed to say one thing all those years ago and change his mind now. He failed to do his JOB.
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#270946 - 08/25/04 04:43 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Lets not forget the rice in the ass purple heart...

He then wrote up his own action report for it and it was denied. He then submitted it again above the chain of command...
Yep, thats honorable....

Oh, and the firefight that never happened either is good. Five boats, one of which is damaged and the only firing going on is coming from the swift boats into the jungle. After three minutes, all firing stops and they realize that they killed a few trees....And Kerry's boat was retreating....

Such bravery by Kerry....


Yep, someday you will believe those lies too...
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#270947 - 08/25/04 05:04 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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AuntyM

Hoffman should be ashamed to say one thing all those years ago and change his mind now. He failed to do his JOB.
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Bet righty will call that honorable service.

Lets not forget Bushy boys military record. Where can we find anyone that can vouch for Bushy service in the Alabama National Guard? You would think there would be one single Righty that served with him and would be on Fox News 24/7. But guess what? There is'nt one, because he was AWOL.
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#270948 - 08/25/04 05:46 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Lets not forget Bushy boys military record. Where can we find anyone that can vouch for Bushy service in the Alabama National Guard? You would think there would be one single Righty that served with him and would be on Fox News 24/7. But guess what? There is'nt one, because he was AWOL.
Bush AWOL...blah,blah,blah....

Please try again. This BS claim has been around since the 94 Ann Richards campaign brought it up and never has it been proven. Stick to the issues at hand....


Kerry lied and POW's died....
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#270949 - 08/25/04 05:47 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Seems a long time ago to be the MAIN ISSUE in an important presidential election. But one thing is for sure, a set of facts that nobody argues with at all. John Kerry went to Viet Nam, and volunteered to do so. George Bush went to the Air Nationall Guard, and failed to 'accomplish' his yearly medical exam and was grounded. Beyond that, fire away.
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#270950 - 08/25/04 05:52 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Yep, Kerry went to Vietnam and appears he lied about two of his purple hearts so that he could "bail" on his buddies and tell lies in front of Congress...

But hey, character is not an issue anymore, isn't it?

Do all you guys get your talking points from the Democratic Underground or what?
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#270951 - 08/25/04 06:30 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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But hey, character is not an issue anymore, isn't it?
Apparently NOT, when we have an AWOL, draft dodging, convicted criminal for a President.
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#270952 - 08/25/04 06:36 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Kerry went to Vietnam and appears he lied about two of his purple hearts
This hasn't been proven either, same as the allegations about Bush.

But I understand how prrof is important to you in one case, but not the other.
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#270953 - 08/25/04 07:10 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Originally posted by AuntyM:
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Apparently NOT, when we have an AWOL, draft dodging, convicted criminal for a President.
I didn't realize that this thread had been changed to include Bill Clinton's draft dodging, awol, convicted criminal record.....

I'm sorry....
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#270954 - 08/25/04 07:12 PM Re: Campaign Lawer linked to not so swift resign
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Yes, I agree. You are sorry.
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