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#720264 - 11/22/11 04:32 PM Re: Wall Street Protest * [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
GutZ Offline
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I think Newt Gingrich layed it pretty succinctly -

“The Occupy movement starts with the premise that we all owe them everything,” Gingrich said. “They take over a public park they didn’t pay for, they use nearby bathrooms they didn’t pay for to obstruct those who are going to work to pay for the taxes to sustain the bathroom to sustain the park so they can self righteously explain that they are the paragons of virtue to which we owe everything,” Gingrich added.

“That is a pretty good symptom of how much the left has collapsed as a moral system in this country and why you need to reassert something as simple as saying to them, ‘go get a job right after you take a bath,” the former House Speaker said.

I think now that there is probably a "1%" within the Occupy movement. A "1%" who really think they can change something. The other 99% of them are the ones that Newt refers to.

PS source was not Fox news
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#720265 - 11/22/11 04:39 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: GutZ]
goharley Offline
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Originally Posted By: GutZ
PS source was not Fox news
I sure hope it was satire.
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#720268 - 11/22/11 04:58 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: goharley]
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Gutz - If you REALLY think that Newt "layed it out pretty succinctly" with that quote... then I submit that you are much "harder right" in your political views than you give yourself credit for. wink
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#720296 - 11/22/11 05:45 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: 4Salt]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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For real, for real. Newt is the same guy that yesterday called child labor laws "stupid". He implied they are keeping the poor, poor. Stew on that for a while and think about who TRULY benefits from such things and who does not.

I would also question several aspects of Newt's Occupy analysis. First, to say that, "They take over a public park they didn’t pay for..." isn't entirely accurate. Who does Newt think paid for that park? The government? With OUR money.

Second, whether he knows it or not, he seems to have fallen for the idea that most of the Occupy protesters are basically some combination of homeless, barbaric, unhygienic, silver-spoon kids, that have no interest in working. I'd imagine there are some people there that may represent those things but the MAJORITY of the people are simply NOT that. Contrary to what Newt seems to believe, those people aren't Obama or Democratic party supporters. They are most likely opponents of the status quo and moreso of the Republican party which has, for quite a while now, obviously favored large business, anti-labor regulations, the military industrial complex, and special interests rather than the populace at large.

As a friend of mine recently said, "Societies need their middle class and they need that middle class to buy cars and TV's and watch football. When you take that away, they will get restless. In this case, some people got too greedy and now you see the result of the squeeze."

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#720720 - 11/24/11 11:54 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
Hankster Offline
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Occupy protests cost U.S. cities $13 million

Not to worry, cities have tons of money.
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#720725 - 11/24/11 12:22 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Hankster]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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I wonder just how much all these Republican shenanigans have cost tax payers?

But hey we all have money to burn!



in order to reach the spending-reduction levels proposed by allegedly sane GOP candidates like Mitt Romney, you'd have to zero out nearly everything the federal government does except for defense, Medicare, and Social Security.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/republicans-job-creation-kill

The evidance verifies that Americans for Tax Reform exercised unconstitutional authority to takeover the U.S. government with its "binding contract"

ATR claims to represent American taxpayers, but ATR's main contributers are not your average taxpayers; on the contrary, they're actually uber rich TAX-DODGERS, and ATR is their lobbying group!

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2011/04/reality-fact-part-i-taxpayer-protection-pledge-coup-d%C3%A9tat

The Job Killers
Why are Republicans determined to snuff the recovery?

Republicans set the nation's budget on track to flip from surplus to deficit by passing a giant tax cut and hiding the fiscal implications. Then, in 2011—after forcing an extension of that same tax cut—Republicans were shocked, shocked to discover the ballooning deficit and demanded immediate, drastic spending reductions.

And the same charade has been playing out in state capitals, where governors like Wisconsin's Scott Walker and Ohio's John Kasich slashed taxes, created deficits, and then found it necessary to decimate public services.

So do Republicans truly want to end deficits? No, or they would have paid for the 2001 tax cuts.

It's hard to believe that some of our political leaders would be willing to wreak havoc with Americans' lives and businesses, yet every day that conclusion becomes harder to escape.

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#720726 - 11/24/11 12:28 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
Hankster Offline
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off lame moon
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#720741 - 11/24/11 03:08 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Hankster]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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connect the dots......


Fishy
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#720749 - 11/24/11 03:28 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Think how much the city could have saved if they would have just set up porti-potties for the protesters and left them alone.
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#720750 - 11/24/11 03:35 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: goharley]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Originally Posted By: goharley
Think how much the city could have saved if they would have just set up porti-potties for the protesters and left them alone.


Exactly!


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#720789 - 11/25/11 12:21 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Nothing smells better than a burning porta potty. Oh, never mind, that wouldn't happen.
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#720813 - 11/25/11 07:32 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ParaLeaks]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Pretty weak!

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#720888 - 11/25/11 05:02 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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AM, it is truly sad to hear how ones life unravels around them while trying to do their best and playing by the rules. Those rules have been slanted in the corps favor for so long that some forget how its supposed to be.

People need to have livable wages, pensions that they can live on, health care that does not bankrupt them or their grand-kids, an education without decades of loans, representation that is not beholden to a lobbyist, corporation or other special interest and to know that if that company is not going to act responsibly our representatives will!


Fishy
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#721012 - 11/26/11 12:36 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Occupy Indy Becomes Public Safety Threat

This problem is stemming from the fact that Occupy Indy has invited homeless people to participate in their movement and stand in for protestors when the weather was warm to help boost their numbers, but now that temperatures have cooled, the organization isn’t quite sure what to do.
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#721022 - 11/26/11 02:46 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Hankster]
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Hanky has been so involved in these Occupy movements since nearly the beginning. I'm beginning to think he's not only a closet supporter of the movement, but is actually one of the key organizers in SF.

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#721027 - 11/26/11 03:14 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Salmo g.]
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Sally forgets my original contention that the validity of the "movement" has been subverted by the wacko brigade and they should dispose of that element; much like the Tea Party disposes of the most radical wackos in their midst.

Even he would have to admit the wacko faction is not doing much to enhance the sympathy of the media and those who, at one time, thought they had a right to freely assemble and express their displeasure at how the government has given corporations the upper hand.

wink


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#721029 - 11/26/11 03:24 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Hankster]
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I was appraising a house last week for a guy who happens to be in HR at Boeing. We were chatting a little bit and the discussion came around to hiring people. I was asking him questions about what Boeing is looking for in employees as I have a 21 year old nephew who is sort of looking for a job. This gentleman told me that Boeing is having 2 issues in hiring. 1) English as a first language is an issue. The minorities that they hire, particularly Asian and Russian, are great workers but by not speaking English they are very hard to communicate with, and 2) Boeing is having trouble finding younger people who want to work. It seems that many younger people get hired and figure out that they will have to work second shift. They last about 6 weeks and they quit because they cannot spend the time they want with girlfriends/boyfriends and their social lives. I found it interesting and it all brought me back to my 21 year old nephew. He should be in his junior year of college but after 2.5 years he doesn't have his AA yet. He is employed by Lowes but only works 16 hours a week because his girlfriend, who isn't gainfully employed, goes mental every time he is at work and not with her. My wife's company was hiring for warehouse employment and the starting pay was around $13 a hour. Nephew was interested and my wife got him an application. He didn't turn it in "because he didn't have enough gas in his truck to get to Fife". He lived 2 doors away from us and could have returned it to my wife or applied online.

Unfortunately, I think we have created a large population of young people who cannot or will not get enough motivation to improve themselves and it all starts with being dependable, getting out of bed, and showing up on time. Work ethic is slipping away slowly and when I see statements like this one: "People need to have livable wages, pensions that they can live on, health care that does not bankrupt them or their grand-kids, an education without decades of loans, representation that is not beholden to a lobbyist, corporation or other special interest and to know that if that company is not going to act responsibly our representatives will!" it makes me wonder why the other side of the coin doesn't get the air time it deserves. Namely, establishing a work ethic at a young age, responsibility for your own actions, and actually learning something that will benefit yourself and society.

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#721030 - 11/26/11 03:31 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Hankster]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Moronic Tea Party Pledge "Just Say No To Job Creation"

What a stupid bloody pledge as with most small business owners I am looking to expand our offer, and when I can, employ more people, in this economy one cannot afford to stand still. So, correct me if I am wrong; what the Tea Party is asking me to do is to cut my own throat so they can gloat just how bad the economy has become?

Really? Nitwits.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/21...To-Job-Creation



Sean Penn accuses Tea Party of racism

Speaking on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight on Friday, the same show upon which Morgan Freeman said the organisation was fuelled by a desire to "do whatever we do to get this black man ... outta here" last month, Penn went even further in his vilification of the political group.

"I don't think there's any doubt about it," he said. "If you ask any representative of the Tea Party, 'OK, social security, socialist, get rid of it?' they're going to get very confused. At the end of the day, there's a big bubble coming out of their heads, saying, 'Can we just lynch him?'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/oct/17/sean-penn-tea-party-racism

The tea party movement is rife with racists. It’s also, despite assertions to the contrary, a structured movement with direct ties to white nationalist groups that’s growing and here to stay. These are the findings of a 94 page report released last week by The Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, which was backed by the NAACP. The only part that’s shocking is that the report is necessary to establish such plain truths.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2010/10/the_tea_party_is_racist.html

Fishy
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#721032 - 11/26/11 03:36 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Sean Penn? dailykos? YGTBFKM.

rofl
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#721041 - 11/26/11 05:14 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Hankster]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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RWNJBS nobody can beat them at clowning just watch the next debate.

We get popcorn and watch the comedy routine every time there is a Tea pub debate, better than any hollywood script.


Fishy
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