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#720296 - 11/22/11 05:45 PM Re: Wall Street Protest * [Re: 4Salt]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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For real, for real. Newt is the same guy that yesterday called child labor laws "stupid". He implied they are keeping the poor, poor. Stew on that for a while and think about who TRULY benefits from such things and who does not.

I would also question several aspects of Newt's Occupy analysis. First, to say that, "They take over a public park they didn’t pay for..." isn't entirely accurate. Who does Newt think paid for that park? The government? With OUR money.

Second, whether he knows it or not, he seems to have fallen for the idea that most of the Occupy protesters are basically some combination of homeless, barbaric, unhygienic, silver-spoon kids, that have no interest in working. I'd imagine there are some people there that may represent those things but the MAJORITY of the people are simply NOT that. Contrary to what Newt seems to believe, those people aren't Obama or Democratic party supporters. They are most likely opponents of the status quo and moreso of the Republican party which has, for quite a while now, obviously favored large business, anti-labor regulations, the military industrial complex, and special interests rather than the populace at large.

As a friend of mine recently said, "Societies need their middle class and they need that middle class to buy cars and TV's and watch football. When you take that away, they will get restless. In this case, some people got too greedy and now you see the result of the squeeze."

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#720725 - 11/24/11 12:22 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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I wonder just how much all these Republican shenanigans have cost tax payers?

But hey we all have money to burn!



in order to reach the spending-reduction levels proposed by allegedly sane GOP candidates like Mitt Romney, you'd have to zero out nearly everything the federal government does except for defense, Medicare, and Social Security.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/republicans-job-creation-kill

The evidance verifies that Americans for Tax Reform exercised unconstitutional authority to takeover the U.S. government with its "binding contract"

ATR claims to represent American taxpayers, but ATR's main contributers are not your average taxpayers; on the contrary, they're actually uber rich TAX-DODGERS, and ATR is their lobbying group!

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2011/04/reality-fact-part-i-taxpayer-protection-pledge-coup-d%C3%A9tat

The Job Killers
Why are Republicans determined to snuff the recovery?

Republicans set the nation's budget on track to flip from surplus to deficit by passing a giant tax cut and hiding the fiscal implications. Then, in 2011—after forcing an extension of that same tax cut—Republicans were shocked, shocked to discover the ballooning deficit and demanded immediate, drastic spending reductions.

And the same charade has been playing out in state capitals, where governors like Wisconsin's Scott Walker and Ohio's John Kasich slashed taxes, created deficits, and then found it necessary to decimate public services.

So do Republicans truly want to end deficits? No, or they would have paid for the 2001 tax cuts.

It's hard to believe that some of our political leaders would be willing to wreak havoc with Americans' lives and businesses, yet every day that conclusion becomes harder to escape.

Fishy
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#720741 - 11/24/11 03:08 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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connect the dots......


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#720749 - 11/24/11 03:28 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Think how much the city could have saved if they would have just set up porti-potties for the protesters and left them alone.
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#720750 - 11/24/11 03:35 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: goharley
Think how much the city could have saved if they would have just set up porti-potties for the protesters and left them alone.


Exactly!


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#720789 - 11/25/11 12:21 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Nothing smells better than a burning porta potty. Oh, never mind, that wouldn't happen.
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#720813 - 11/25/11 07:32 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Pretty weak!

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#720888 - 11/25/11 05:02 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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AM, it is truly sad to hear how ones life unravels around them while trying to do their best and playing by the rules. Those rules have been slanted in the corps favor for so long that some forget how its supposed to be.

People need to have livable wages, pensions that they can live on, health care that does not bankrupt them or their grand-kids, an education without decades of loans, representation that is not beholden to a lobbyist, corporation or other special interest and to know that if that company is not going to act responsibly our representatives will!


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#721022 - 11/26/11 02:46 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Hanky has been so involved in these Occupy movements since nearly the beginning. I'm beginning to think he's not only a closet supporter of the movement, but is actually one of the key organizers in SF.

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#721029 - 11/26/11 03:24 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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I was appraising a house last week for a guy who happens to be in HR at Boeing. We were chatting a little bit and the discussion came around to hiring people. I was asking him questions about what Boeing is looking for in employees as I have a 21 year old nephew who is sort of looking for a job. This gentleman told me that Boeing is having 2 issues in hiring. 1) English as a first language is an issue. The minorities that they hire, particularly Asian and Russian, are great workers but by not speaking English they are very hard to communicate with, and 2) Boeing is having trouble finding younger people who want to work. It seems that many younger people get hired and figure out that they will have to work second shift. They last about 6 weeks and they quit because they cannot spend the time they want with girlfriends/boyfriends and their social lives. I found it interesting and it all brought me back to my 21 year old nephew. He should be in his junior year of college but after 2.5 years he doesn't have his AA yet. He is employed by Lowes but only works 16 hours a week because his girlfriend, who isn't gainfully employed, goes mental every time he is at work and not with her. My wife's company was hiring for warehouse employment and the starting pay was around $13 a hour. Nephew was interested and my wife got him an application. He didn't turn it in "because he didn't have enough gas in his truck to get to Fife". He lived 2 doors away from us and could have returned it to my wife or applied online.

Unfortunately, I think we have created a large population of young people who cannot or will not get enough motivation to improve themselves and it all starts with being dependable, getting out of bed, and showing up on time. Work ethic is slipping away slowly and when I see statements like this one: "People need to have livable wages, pensions that they can live on, health care that does not bankrupt them or their grand-kids, an education without decades of loans, representation that is not beholden to a lobbyist, corporation or other special interest and to know that if that company is not going to act responsibly our representatives will!" it makes me wonder why the other side of the coin doesn't get the air time it deserves. Namely, establishing a work ethic at a young age, responsibility for your own actions, and actually learning something that will benefit yourself and society.

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#721030 - 11/26/11 03:31 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Moronic Tea Party Pledge "Just Say No To Job Creation"

What a stupid bloody pledge as with most small business owners I am looking to expand our offer, and when I can, employ more people, in this economy one cannot afford to stand still. So, correct me if I am wrong; what the Tea Party is asking me to do is to cut my own throat so they can gloat just how bad the economy has become?

Really? Nitwits.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/21...To-Job-Creation



Sean Penn accuses Tea Party of racism

Speaking on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight on Friday, the same show upon which Morgan Freeman said the organisation was fuelled by a desire to "do whatever we do to get this black man ... outta here" last month, Penn went even further in his vilification of the political group.

"I don't think there's any doubt about it," he said. "If you ask any representative of the Tea Party, 'OK, social security, socialist, get rid of it?' they're going to get very confused. At the end of the day, there's a big bubble coming out of their heads, saying, 'Can we just lynch him?'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/oct/17/sean-penn-tea-party-racism

The tea party movement is rife with racists. It’s also, despite assertions to the contrary, a structured movement with direct ties to white nationalist groups that’s growing and here to stay. These are the findings of a 94 page report released last week by The Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, which was backed by the NAACP. The only part that’s shocking is that the report is necessary to establish such plain truths.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2010/10/the_tea_party_is_racist.html

Fishy
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#721041 - 11/26/11 05:14 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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RWNJBS nobody can beat them at clowning just watch the next debate.

We get popcorn and watch the comedy routine every time there is a Tea pub debate, better than any hollywood script.


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#721056 - 11/26/11 06:35 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
...much like the Tea Party disposes of the most radical wackos in their midst.



I'm assuming you forgot to put the "just fuckin kidding" after that comment...if the TeaBaggers got rid of all the most radical in their midst all they'd have left is two or three seniors drooling in their Cheerios...and they still will think that we should do away with National Health Care, but keep our hands off their Medicare!

Fish on...

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#721058 - 11/26/11 06:43 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Sean Penn? dailykos? YGTBFKM.
Think of it as a "fair and balanced" approach to you plagiarizing Charles Krauthammer.
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#721102 - 11/26/11 10:30 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: goharley]
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DBA says--it makes me wonder why the other side of the coin doesn't get the air time it deserves. Namely, establishing a work ethic at a young age, responsibility for your own actions, and actually learning something that will benefit yourself and society.


21 year old slackers are and were part of our society and have been for every since I can remember.
Equating what I said with your slacker nephew is like comparing apples and lobster.

Most people at OWS sites are older and have become disenfranchised by Corporations that use and abuse them, politicians that are employed by the corporations thus being protected during elections, Millionaires and Billionaires that invest in those corps and thus affect the legislation that those corps buy and pay for.

When the cotton milling companies tried to enslave workers there were strikes. When the coal companies tried to enslave their workers there were strikes. When the newspapers tried to enslave their workers there were strikes.
Corporate behavior has become so pervasive that this is a mass strike on how much power and influence they have acquired, but its also because they have bought and paid for the worst politicians that money can buy.

Other side of the coin, my ass. There will always be those that won't,can't or have not been given the tools to succeed.

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#721140 - 11/27/11 03:45 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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"Most people at OWS sites are older and have become disenfranchised by Corporations that use and abuse them, politicians that are employed by the corporations thus being protected during elections, Millionaires and Billionaires that invest in those corps and thus affect the legislation that those corps buy and pay for."

That statement does not appear to be true as the 2 surveys taken pertaining to OWS indicate that 50to 60% of the participants are less than 30 years old. Today's 21 year old slacker stands a pretty good chance of becoming the next decades OWS camper.

I stand by the example of my nephew as a growing condition that we face in this country and I have no reason to believe that a HR person from Boeing would fabricate a story like that one just for the fun of it. I realize that there has been and always will be "slackers" but there is also a growing sense of entitlement in this country that is alarming.

During the height of the real estate boom a few years ago I used to get 2-3 phone calls a week from various people who would express interest in becoming a real estate appraiser. They would want to know what the process for becoming one was and when I would explain to them that they would have to take some classes and do 3 years of appraisal work (2500 hrs of appraisal) under the guidance of a certified appraiser (at a 50/50 fee split) and then take and pass the state exam. Just about every one suddenly had a change of heart. A lot of people today just don't want to start out on the bottom and put in the time that it takes to succeed and they don't have the work ethic that is required either.

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#721153 - 11/27/11 11:53 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: DBAppraiser]
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DBA--50to 60% of the participants are less than 30 years old.----

So given the margin of error my statement is correct.

---I stand by the example of my nephew----

I've no doubt your nephew is a slacker but there has,is and probably will always be slackers. Someone is always looking to get over by doing nothing. Look at our politicians.

------Just about every one suddenly had a change of heart-------

I had lots of people see my success as a contractor and wanted to be one also, but after telling them all of the time I put in as an apprentice and work as a journeyman before I became a contractor and then testing for the contractors license, the insurance and bonding there was also a sudden change of interest.
Again people are always looking for ways to get by with just the minimum amount of effort.

Now on with the Revolution!!!

Fishy
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#721204 - 11/27/11 04:48 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf

Again people are always looking for ways to get by with just the minimum amount of effort.



I agree with that and when they dont ... they cry like little babies and go and become whining, sniveling Tea Baggers that are beholden to some DC lobbyist

wink



There fixed it for you!

Fishy
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#721219 - 11/27/11 05:57 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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SSF---"Again people are always looking for ways to get by with just the minimum amount of effort."


See example above......


Fishy
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The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.

I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S

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#721230 - 11/27/11 06:39 PM Re: 'Occupy Oakland' Hosts Gay Porn Video Shoot [Re: ]
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A union worker, a member of the Tea Party, and a CEO are sitting at a table.
In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it.
The CEO reaches across the table, takes 11 cookies, looks at the Tea
Partier and says:
"Look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie."

smile

The tea party nation announced last week that Sarah Palin will headline what is being called the first national tea party convention in February. It is expected to be the nation's largest ever gathering of misspelled signs." –Seth Meyers

"Some Americans did a very dumb thing today. They had tea party protests. They've been mailing tea bags to Congress to I guess express their dissatisfaction with taxes and government spending because nothing shakes a politician up like a complimentary bag of tea. 'Hey if you don't straighten up next year, crumpets, buddy.'" –Jimmy Kimmel

"A lot of protests today. Thousands of people had these tea parties, during which they protested higher taxes. But here in LA, it was called the Green Herbal Double Decaf Tea Party." –Jay Leno

"This is like the Boston tea party for people that decided, let's say, I don't know, two and a half months ago, that they didn't want to pay taxes anymore. The tea party is just a metaphor [on screen: a Fox News reporter pointing to boxes at one of the tea parties containing a million tea bags]. Let me get this straight. To protest wasteful spending, you bought a million tea bags. Are you protesting taxes or irony?" –Jon Stewart, on the tea party protests

"The floor of a cave called. It wants its bat [censored] back." –Bill Maher on Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN)


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