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#815367 - 01/15/13 06:33 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: ]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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#815369 - 01/15/13 06:44 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Illahee]
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Magazines folks, not clips. Please do your best to sound educated on the subject.

Also, the law that was just passed is in New York State, not the entire US, just one very screwed up state, so Larry, you are fine for the moment. Still feeling comfortable about the upcoming proposed nantional legislation now, Larry? You shouldn't be.

A Garand uses "clip en bloc's". Stripper clips are sometimes used to load AR magazines, or to load a Mauser, Springfield '03, or an SKS internal box "magazine".



There really is a difference.

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#815372 - 01/15/13 06:50 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Dogfish]
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Thank you Andy. That is one of my biggest pet peeves.

Bullet is another.
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#815373 - 01/15/13 06:53 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: ColeyG]
redhook
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can we still call suppressors , silencers? grin

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#815374 - 01/15/13 06:59 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: ]
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If high capacity magazines don't make it easier to kill more people than tell me why they were invented in the first place.

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#815375 - 01/15/13 07:03 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: redhook
can we still call suppressors , silencers? grin

plus cans and moderators. All acceptable colloquial terms based upon your location or upbringing.

A magazine contains a spring and follower for feeding a round through the body of the magazine so it can then be chambered.

A clip is a strip of metal with essentially no moving parts. (AR and some .308/7.62x51 clips are comprised of two or more pieces of metal)
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#815378 - 01/15/13 07:12 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: ]
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Whitman used guns that didnt hold more than 6 rounds (pistols excluded)...

magazine capacity what?

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#815381 - 01/15/13 07:29 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Tillanook]
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Originally Posted By: Tillanook
If high capacity magazines don't make it easier to kill more people than tell me why they were invented in the first place.


They sure as heck can make it easier, but they were invented to reduce the overall load out of the average soldier. Instead of 12 mags for a 240 rd battle load out, they carry 8 (or more). AR's/M16 started being issued to some troops with 20 rd mags. That was soon changed to 30.

Someone with a reasonable amounty of training can do a mag change, or tactical mag change in a matter of 1-2 seconds. Tactical's take longer.

My duty weapon held 11 rounds of .40 S&W. I had 2 additional mags at all times minimum. During training classes I carried as many as 6. I kept right up with the guys shooting G22's and G23's, both in round count, time, and accuracy. Limit me to 1 round mags, and yeah, that would make a difference.

Someone intent on doing harm to others will generally succeed, regardless of the law or limitations on weapon choices.
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#815387 - 01/15/13 07:51 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Tillanook]
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Originally Posted By: Tillanook
If high capacity magazines don't make it easier to kill more people than tell me why they were invented in the first place.


Or so you don't have to reload so much.

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#815395 - 01/15/13 08:21 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
[quote=Tillanook]If high capacity magazines don't make it easier to kill more people than tell me why they were invented in the first place.


They sure as heck can make it easier, but they were invented to reduce the overall load out of the average soldier. Instead of 12 mags for a 240 rd battle load out, they carry 8 (or more). AR's/M16 started being issued to some troops with 20 rd mags. That was soon changed to 30.

Someone with a reasonable amounty of training can do a mag change, or tactical mag change in a matter of 1-2 seconds. Tactical's take longer.

My duty weapon held 11 rounds of .40 S&W. I had 2 additional mags at all times minimum. During training classes I carried as many as 6. I kept right up with the guys shooting G22's and G23's, both in round count, time, and accuracy. Limit me to 1 round mags, and yeah, that would make a difference.

Someone intent on doing harm to others will generally succeed, regardless of the law or limitations on weapon choices.


One thousand one, one thousand two....you must be real quick. Where were you pulling your extra mags from during your controlled environment training exercise? I doubt your average physco walking through a public place is going to be able to duplicate what a trained professional is able to do in a training exercise. Besides I would take the 1-2 seconds it took physco to reload over the time it would take to pull the trigger one more time.

Your guys arguments that high capacity mags don't matter hold about as much water as bucket blasted to sh!t with a weapon loaded with one.

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#815416 - 01/15/13 09:50 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: ]
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Where do "tube fed" rifles fit in all this?


Edited by Slab Happy (01/15/13 09:51 PM)
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#815418 - 01/15/13 09:56 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: ParaLeaks]
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they dont count, they dont hold that many rounds, arent black, and dont/cant kill as many people... they arent even considered guns... guns are black, with a bunch of plastic sh!t on them, they have high based front sites, or no sites at all, and have these big bad homing laser sights on them that can make bullets turn corners and hit in the eye... guns also use magazines, and have a pistol grip ...

im kidding, i dont see them messing with them tho... cuz banning 1894 Winchesters because they hold too many rounds would be a stupid choice on their part...

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#815442 - 01/15/13 10:40 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: ]
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#815476 - 01/16/13 12:16 AM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: ]
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Things can change in a split second so I'd want every last one I could get. It could make a difference for someone someday. There will always be shootings....I just think we have to try to make it harder to kill so many so easily.

Obviously there needs to be alot more focus on the treatment of mental illness but there are probably more people with mental health issues than there are guns.
Assualt weapons and high capacity mags are just the low hanging fruit.

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#815483 - 01/16/13 12:53 AM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Tillanook]
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To repeat myself, out of 700+ murders in NY state, 5 were commited with "Any type of rifle". 160 with knives, yet they go after primarily rifles.

This is the same state where police officers wounded 9 or more civilians taking down one criminal who had killed one individual.

I'm supposed to expect the State (insert any government police force) to protect me from a criminal. Yeah right.

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#815505 - 01/16/13 08:26 AM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Dogfish]
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Dogfish, enquiring minds want to know. How were the other 535+ murders committed in NY State? I can't imagine they were all baseball bats, rocks, and chokings.
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#815510 - 01/16/13 09:34 AM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: eddie]
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#815511 - 01/16/13 09:36 AM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Dogfish]
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Roughly 330 were commited without the use of a firearm.
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#815513 - 01/16/13 10:12 AM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish


Someone intent on doing harm to others will generally succeed, regardless of the law or limitations on weapon choices.


And that right there about sums it up.....
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#815534 - 01/16/13 12:37 PM Re: And so it starts...... [Re: Timber]
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23 executive orders signed today. It will be interesting to see what is in there.
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