#983422 - 01/10/18 08:50 AM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
[Re: eyeFISH]
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RICH G
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We live in a state where corruption rules the roost, where government takes care of themselves first, where the culture of corruption is protected at all costs.
What does it all come down to? power, money and ego. Its that simple, if people want real justice, truth and honor the people in power within this state need to be removed, only then will things get better.
The tribes hire smart people to represent them and understand how the game works, that's why they are so successful. They have lots of laundered non traceable cash.
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#983430 - 01/10/18 10:54 AM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
[Re: Bay wolf]
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Spawner
Registered: 06/24/00
Posts: 554
Loc: Des Moines
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Contact the Commission Appears the link in Great Bender's post above is broken. Here is a working link to gat a message to the Commission. Vital that we let the Commission know we fully support them in rescinding or repairing the flawed RMP! The plan has already been submitted to the NOAA. What can the commission do about it?
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#983432 - 01/10/18 11:19 AM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
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Contact the Commission Appears the link in Great Bender's post above is broken. Here is a working link to gat a message to the Commission. Vital that we let the Commission know we fully support them in rescinding or repairing the flawed RMP! The plan has already been submitted to the NOAA. What can the commission do about it? One might take a position that the initiative creating the Commission resulted in the Commission having the responsibility for establishing policy for the Department. In my mind this Plan is clearly policy. Insofar as the Plan was not run past the Commission and has not obtained its approval it is not legal. Can NOAA take action on an illegal Plan? That said, I just received a notice from the Commission that they will be holding a telephonic conference call tomorrow to be briefed on the Plan by Staff. The agenda for the Commission's meeting at Ridgefield has as Item No. 10 on Friday, 19 Jan, a Plan briefing and possible decision. Maybe I missed the part about public review and input...... But it does appear that the Department is now trying to put the pieces together but this is one of those events that cannot be perceived as a simple procedural oversight. I sincerely hope that the Commission does not simply rubber stamp the Plan with its obvious flaws.........
Edited by Larry B (01/10/18 11:31 AM)
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#983433 - 01/10/18 11:32 AM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
[Re: eyeFISH]
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Returning Adult
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WDFW NEWS RELEASE Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife 600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091 http://wdfw.wa.gov/January 10, 2018 Contact: Commission Office, 360-902-2267 Commission to receive briefing on proposed plan for Puget Sound chinook salmon OLYMPIA – State fish managers will update the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission during a conference call Jan. 12 on a proposed management plan for harvesting Puget Sound chinook salmon. The commission, a citizen panel appointed by the governor to set policy for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW), will convene the call at 2 p.m., Friday, Jan. 12. The public can listen to the work session, but there will be no opportunity for public comment. To participate in the call, contact the Commission Office at 360-902-2267 or commission@dfw.wa.gov by 4 p.m., Thursday, Jan. 11. Any materials that will be discussed during the call will be available on the commission's website at https://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2018/01/agenda_jan1218.html.WDFW staff will brief commissioners on the Puget Sound Chinook Harvest Management Plan, which was developed in conjunction with treaty tribal co-managers. The state and tribes submitted the plan on Dec. 1, 2017, to NOAA Fisheries, which is currently reviewing the proposed plan. The plan defines management goals for state and tribal fisheries that have an impact on wild Puget Sound chinook salmon, which are listed for protection under the federal Endangered Species Act (ESA). Under that law, no fisheries affecting Puget Sound chinook can occur without a conservation plan approved by NOAA. The federal agency has already provided some feedback on the plan, noting that several key salmon stocks would not meet NOAA's new, more restrictive conservation objectives. NOAA is seeking more information from the state and tribes on the conservation objectives within the proposed plan. The plan is available on WDFW's website at https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/fisheries/chinook/.Additional discussion about the harvest management plan will take place during the commission's regularly scheduled meeting, Jan. 18-20, at WDFW's regional office in Ridgefield. A meeting agenda can be found on the commission's website at https://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings.html.
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#983437 - 01/10/18 11:39 AM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
[Re: Waterboy]
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Spawner
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Loc: Des Moines
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The federal agency has already provided some feedback on the plan, noting that several key salmon stocks would not meet NOAA's new, more restrictive conservation objectives. NOAA is seeking more information from the state and tribes on the conservation objectives within the proposed plan. Careful what you wish for!
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#983438 - 01/10/18 12:01 PM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
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By the way, Larry, they had public review and input. They showed it to somebody............ Yes, but then the Chinese President returned to China.
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#983441 - 01/10/18 12:14 PM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
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River Nutrients
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Doesn't matter. They crossed that "t" and dotted the "i". They complied with the letter of the law. Kinda. Sorta. And, as justification, "It's how we've always done things". Oh, good, now I understand and I feel soooo much better.
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#983522 - 01/12/18 06:58 PM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
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Loc: Graham, WA
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Here is the audio link of todays Commission conference call: Commission Conference Call Ten Year Plan Brief
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#983523 - 01/12/18 07:00 PM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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WOW... that's a mouthful. And that's the condensed version.
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#983524 - 01/12/18 07:11 PM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 07/01/04
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If I read that correctly it looks like they did a sample run down of what 2017 seasons would have looked like with 2017 projections using the new management objectives. In doing so it would have shut down 7, 8.1, 8.2, 9, etc to make up a very small impact that wouldn't make much of a difference in the freshwater netting impacts. Even if these new objectives and ESA impact limits are upheld isn't there a better solution than shutting down all the guys that both provide funding for and are passionate about saving our fish?
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#983526 - 01/12/18 07:53 PM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
[Re: Bay wolf]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 04/04/10
Posts: 199
Loc: United States
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The audio appears to be screwed up. I just get a repeat of the first couple of minutes and staff introduction, then it loops around to repeat.
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#983542 - 01/13/18 08:14 AM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
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Carcass
Registered: 11/30/09
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Listening in on the conference call Friday, it was mentioned that the PSC is meeting this week end with discussions about the dilemma of Puget Sound salmon. Interested in what solutions they can help with.
NOAA has returned the 10 year plan for revisions as stated above to be returned back by the end of Feb. if I remember correctly--- time for more revisions after public input Jan. 19 commission meeting??
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#983544 - 01/13/18 09:49 AM
Re: DISASTROUS conference call....
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1075
Loc: Graham, WA
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As far as improving transparency. I encourage the Commission to take a very hard look at their "delegations" in the future. We have submitted a petition to the Commission to convert the NOF policy into a WAC (Washington Administrative Code) That would then make it a law and not just advisory. They then could write into the WAC more stringent oversight of the Department and include language for greater transparency. The Board will discuss this on a conference call on 2 February, no public input. I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE to write an email to the Commission board members and ask them to vote YES on converting the Policy to a WAC! You can read the reply letter from the Board on our facebook page. It's interesting to note that the confidentiality clause for the mediation process, 1. Was waiverable, but they chose to keep it. and 2. It did not prevent WDFW from sharing details with the Commissioners. Senior Staff at WDFW chose to keep the Commission out of it, because the Commission is liable to open public meetings laws, and WDFW did not want the public to have any information about what they were agreeing to! If you want to find out more about this issue I invite you to look at our Facebook page Open North of Falcon Or if you have any questions, you can reach us at: OpenNOF@gmail.com
Edited by Bay wolf (01/13/18 01:59 PM)
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