Ok thanks Stormin' I'll check that out tomorrow because I'll be in Sequim. Hope the swivels aren't too expensive. The more I use the Vision hooks, the better I like them. I've been using the Limerick bend ones that they have in stock at Swain's, but I'm going to see if they will order the Octopus style. Been working great on silvers this year. Have you been out to the Dungy yet?

~ Dr Pepper