Originally Posted By: goinfishin
One of the things that makes the least amount of sense to me is why we didn't secure our borders after 911. They were and, still are, a freakin seive.

Hitting the Taliban had the entire world behind us. People for once after 911 happened started thinking beyond their next good meal, beer oor dope, orgasm, or good movie or whatever and started to realize a lot of folks in the world really hate us.

Instead we invade Iraq, an already contained threat. It was kind of funny how at first the threat from our armed forces quickly had Libya contrite and Iran seeking to appease us. Then, when they realized we were not going to accomplish the goal of transforming the country, they became completely emboldened.

I wonder what will happen there when we finally leave. Who will fill the power vacuum? As it stands now, Iran is a likely candidate, as is Turkey, and maybe even the Saudis. None of whom really want radical islam to take over. Even the Iranian Ayatollahs were starting to act moderate until we rejected their diplomatic peace gestures?!?!.

It is just now becoming known that Iran assisted us greatly in toppling the Taliban. But, as they say, they are a state which sponsors terrorism.

BTW, even the non-Fox news stations are reporting progress in Iraq. I wonder how they measure that? One less bomb a day? It's a damn bloody, nasty civil war we stirred up.

Here's the ethics question: Now that we have, do we owe the people there some chance at establishing order, or do we just get the hell out? As far as I'm concerned there is not a damn thing over there worth a f-ing pimple on an American's ass. Shiat, we can't even get gas under 3.20 a gallon for all that invading and taking over an oil rich country was worth. At least that would have made a wrong kind of sense.


I think Americans as a whole would have been much happier if they secured our borders. The short answer to why they don't secure the border is that politicians seem to think they will be able to snatch up 25 million more votes if those that came across already become legal all the sudden.

IF you want to get into ethics, one would value the lives of others. It's not their fault your gas cost $3.20 a gallon. Supply/demand and certain worldly events take care of that. But if you really want to dive in on that then ask your congressmen why they put special interests groups like the Sierra Club ahead of protecting the general interests of the People they supposedly protect, defend and serve. If they did that then Anwar, several other oil fields in the United States and more refineries would be an option to lower your prices...eventually. Instead were forced because of the left in this country to go overseas to defend our interests.

The real issue over in Iraq now is progress, which they've made a ton of. There is a lot more good going on then bad. The media is finally coming around to reporting what they can no longer deny.