I got to the townhall meeting site at about 4 , I would estimate about 400 people outside the gate many with signs. The signs where interesting in the sense that the ones for the Dem health care plan had signs that where about 90% preprinted and the people with signs against the Dem plan were about 90% home made. One group against had set up a table with a mic and speaker(wasn't very loud) and the group "for" moved very close to the table and chanted catchy phrases so as to make what she had to say unhearable, some stood right in front of her and waved the signs in her face. I was impressed with Rick Larson and thought he presented his case well. I would estimate the crowd at 5 in the stadium was about 3,000. They were a few crazies on both "sides" but overall a respectful gathering.