I fished with them yesterday and they suck.Have you ever straightened out a 2/0 Gammy with 10# leader or have the tip break off when snagged on a log.Well it happened to me with Vision hooks yesterday.Also we hooked 9 fish and only landed 4.I know that happens,but the other things made me think these hooks were a contributing factor in losing so many fish.--- TIGHT LINES---