I have to agree with "smilesforu". I recently bought a hundred pack of vision at the outdoor emporium and decided to fish them exclusively to see how they faired. I found quite a few that were out of the package that were rather dull, and a couple that had the barbs on the outside?? I found that the hooks dulled quickly. The points are sharp but thin and the slightest knick on the bottom would dull them, I would keep inspecting the hooks after a slight snag and quickly found this out. I landed a few nice fish with these hooks but lost eight consecutive fish using these hooks. Fish that were hooked for a while, would suddenly come unpinned?? I quickly made the decision to stop using vision, and got rid of the remaining hooks. Though vision hooks are cheaper(less than half of Gammies) they don't seem as durable. I am back to gammies, and unless I hear rave reviews about another hook, I am hesitant to try another.--mike