Osprey, when I first posted to you about your remarks regarding the elk herd I didn't think about you're probably hunting the westside where you have 3pt. or better restrictions. My knowledge is about the eastside. However, I do want you to know that I tried hard for a 3pt or better restriction on our side but the head local bio.had it in his mind that the ONLY way to go was with the spike only..When a bio. testifies in front of the commision and says one thing and a private testifies another thing who do you think the commision will listen to? Not the uneducated private!!! Timberman, I have seen four huge harvests that have taken place in the lower bethal area(1973,82,91,94). Everytime we literally slaughtered our elk herd. I personally held and arranged meetings with the Region Bios. along with several commision members in order to change the time frame of the elk season. Now we start our elk season the last week of Oct. instead of the 1st week of Nov. This last week of Oct. is when we generally get the heavy early snows if it is going to happen. So hopefully, mothernature doesn't play tricks with history and throw some huge early snows on us anymore.