Lastcast, the area you are talking about is the glass cr. area( I think). Yes they were doing some logging in there. However, I was up in there earlier and didn't see any new roads built.They just used the same old existing ones..Also, I think that particular logger has moved his operation over in to the cowiche/tampico area.. Osprey, I think timberman was confusing you with me..I'm the one who questioned his earlier statements. Also, Timberman my neighbor is the outfitter who has the rights to that area(basically everything between the two passes plus some more). I'm quite certain he hasn't used any camps in that area as he maintains most of his hunters up in the bumping with a few satillite camps in the upper regions of both the north fork and the south fork the rattlesnake.However, I will most certainly ask him the next time we talk. I'm sorry if I offended you but your post sounded like you got at least 5 bulls every year. When I read that I thought/knew that was immpossible. I don't like to call B.S. on any buddy unless I know alittle bit about them but sometimes you have to make exceptions..