Timberman, I hate to question your elk hunting prowness but are you really serious about the 5&6pt bulls you killed for 25yrs?? I would believe you might of had a year or two with that kind of success but no way did you have that kind of success consistantly. If you would have said that you guys killed at least 5 bulls of various sizes(predominatly spikes and rag horns) I wouldn't be questioning your high success rates. But with mature bulls that barely existed, come on! Where you just trying to test my curiosity? If so than you were successful. I would like to add some valuable info. for the readers. I've fished the Nisqually for many years and have never failed to land at least 4 steelys over 20lbs to go with my complimentary limit of 40lb. kings. One trip acouple of years ago the fish were alittle small that year and I had to settle for acouple of 18lb steelys and a small limit of 35lb. kings. Bummer! Actually guys to set the record straight I have never even fished the Nasty! Just havin fun..