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#403278 - 01/09/08 08:34 AM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: 1bighog]
fish4brains Offline
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Registered: 08/23/06
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My family has been negatively affected by a drunk driver, but I don't support checkpoints. I had to go through a police checkpoint in Cancun and it was a big hassle.

The laws are getting tougher with the mandatory minimums but I think harsher penalty from the start would work better.

First offense under .15, alcohol assessment, 30 day license suspension, no occupational. Probation until you follow through with recommendations.

Second offense within 10 years, year license suspension, year in jail.

Third offense in 10 years, or second offense over .15, Felony. Felony sentencing guidelines, 5 year license suspension.
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#403288 - 01/09/08 09:43 AM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: Snake Pliskin]
Ranger3C275 Offline
Alevin

Registered: 07/23/07
Posts: 18
Loc: SEATAC, Wa
 Originally Posted By: Snake Pliskin
If this goes through there will be a negative ripple effect to the food/beverage industry. Instead of stopping by your favorite watering hole for a beer or having a glass of wine at a nice restaurant, you will go straight home or have have some bottled water with dinner. Less people going out for drinks(with or without dinner), less people ordering drinks = less $ for restaurant industry.


Yeah! And don't forget all of the tow companies that will not be impounding all of those drunk's cars. We have to look out for the tow industry. Morticians and funeral homes will lose out also. Oh, don't forget the news crews that won't be able to report on horrific traffic collisions where some poor girl is hit head on by a drunk guy going the wrong way on Hwy 18 at 4:40 in the morning. That guy was probably just drinking a glass of wine at a "nice restaurant". That guy killed someone and only had a cut on his finger.... but at least he was supporting his late night "nice restaurant" industry.

So many of you people talk about how these road blocks would be a violation of your constitutional rights, but you’ll be the first one to want some police officer to violate some homeless person's rights when they are in your neighborhood. You people only want action when something has directly affected you personally. Think of your son. Think of your daughter. Think of your wife, your sister, father or mother. What if they were hit by some idiot and killed. Seriously, just stop and think about it for just a second. Their dead, lifeless body mangled in a car. Did it have to happen? Could it have been stopped?

I'm married with a 21 month old son. I worry about my family every minute they are not in my presence. If we can't trust people to not drive drunk, then I'll have to trust the cops that serve my area of operation to effectively eliminate as many of the threats as possible.

It's not the cops who would be inconveniencing us at a road block. It’s the people who can’t take responsibility for their own actions inconveniencing us by putting us in harms way.

I’m done.

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#403298 - 01/09/08 11:00 AM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
Snake Pliskin Offline
Bead

Registered: 02/13/03
Posts: 1206
Loc: Duvall
Ranger,

A couple of things.........

#1: I doubt the guy drunk going the wrong way on Hwy 18 at 4:40 am just had a glass of wine.

#2: Even with checkpoints, not all drunk drivers are going to be caught.........there's not enough cops and too many roads. So, unfortunately, there will still be drunk driving deaths. I would prefer my tax dollars funding police so they can arrest drug dealers and tweakers. Not to mention making our streets safe for our children from molesters, make our parks safe from rapists and muggers, and maybe occasionally they can drive by a boat launch and set up a sting for thieves.

#3: My comment about the ripple effect was an economic one. But that will even be biased if this goes into effect. Do you think there will be a check point on every road leading from Quest Field after a Seahwawk game? No, while the number of arrests would be staggering(no pun intended), it won't happen because Seattle/Washington State likes the revenue from selling alcohol at sporting events. Even Crissy's checkpoints won't mess that up. No, the checkpoints will get the guy and his wife who shared a bottle of wine over dinner at an Italian restaurant.

As Aunty said, why inconvenience me and take away my Constitutional rights? Or as Stam said, where does it end? Checkpoints for everything? For eating a Big Mac while driving? For not having both hands on the wheel? I'm already forced to wear a seat belt (I would anyway), but dang it, it's my life, my choice. We are getting closer to being a police state all the time.

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#403299 - 01/09/08 11:04 AM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
stlhead Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 6830
"Because I disagreed with you I must be on a power trip, huh? "

Wasn't directed at you but take it as you wish. Remember, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Law enforcement already has all of the tools to arrest drunk drivers without restricting my freedom to travel.

Ranger, drugs kill people. Drugs are sometimes smuggled in anal cavities. Now I don't think you are a drug smuggler but line up to be searched just the same. Those murders in Carnation. What should we do to prevent that from happening again? What freedom are you willing to give up?

I am thinking of my family. And generations to come. We are rapidly eroding our freedoms. At this rate, in a generation or two, we will be no different than a Communist country. But it will be "for your own good".
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#403318 - 01/09/08 12:06 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
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Returning Adult

Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 456
Loc: LOL
 Originally Posted By: AuntyM
 Originally Posted By: blue_jay
Yup...it say's right there in the constitution..."you have the right to drive a motor vehicle"


 Quote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


BJ, like your president, you have poor reading comprehension.

1bigwhatever and BJ apperently like the idea of living in a socialist/police state.



Show me where it says so and I will become a dem. LOL

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#403326 - 01/09/08 12:26 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: 1bighog]
hohbomb73 Offline
D.E.A

Registered: 04/02/06
Posts: 1728
Loc: in da hood
 Originally Posted By: 1bighog
They are done with it and so am I.


Finally... thank GOD.


Oh, and Ranger: I too have a 21 month old. "Worrying" about him when he's not in my presence will only give me an ulcer... lighten up and live longer. No DUI roadblock (nor any roadblock) will guarantee safety for him. I have been hit by a car TWICE while pushing my son in a stroller in one of the best neighborhoods in Portland while walking to the grocery store... Neither time were the drivers drunk.

Ironic that the overwhelming majority of the public (here on this thread) is against this, and yet... the "cops" are defending it under the pretense of it being good for "us". Since we don't know what's good for ourselves as "we the people", it's nice to know that the fascists that step in and take over will have "our" best interests at heart...
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#403327 - 01/09/08 12:28 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: blue_jay]
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Loc: in da hood
 Originally Posted By: blue_jay
Yup...it say's right there in the constitution..."you have the right to drive a motor vehicle"



Show me where it says so and I will become a DUMBASS, like you.
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#403364 - 01/09/08 02:02 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
Blades™ Offline
Spawner

Registered: 08/22/06
Posts: 637
Loc: La La Land
 Originally Posted By: Abu-Loomis
 Originally Posted By: 1bighog
 Originally Posted By: Abu-Loomis
The last thing I want is to have Blades and 1bigasshole type cops checking to see if I've been drinking. Hopefully this won't happen. How bout we just ban alchohol all together ;\) ...Later


Jake


Anything I said that you would like to intelligently disagree with or you just want to jump on the cop bashing bandwagon with your girlfriend hohbomb?



Ok, I don't want cops stopping me without cause. I didn't do anything wrong, so leave me the f*ck alone. Don't start anything with hohbomb, last time him and a "cop" got into it online, the "cop" admitted his love for men ...Later


Jake


LOL I amitted to my love for men? Your funny Abu Abu. Have you had some problems with cops? Is this a touchy subject? HAHA your girlfriend hohbomb lol
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#403396 - 01/09/08 03:18 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: Blades™]
stlhead Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 6830
And now for something completely different....it's Blades.

Blades + BJ = 1/2(wit)
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#403435 - 01/09/08 04:31 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: stlhead]
blue_jay Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 456
Loc: LOL
 Originally Posted By: stlhead
And now for something completely different....it's Blades.

Blades + BJ = 1/2(wit)


I think the only thing me and blades have in common are terminators.

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#403443 - 01/09/08 04:43 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: blue_jay]
Knucklebustersonly Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/07/06
Posts: 2561
Loc: WA
 Originally Posted By: blue_jay
 Originally Posted By: stlhead
And now for something completely different....it's Blades.

Blades + BJ = 1/2(wit)


I think the only thing me and blades have in common are terminators.


WTF?

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#403449 - 01/09/08 04:49 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: Knucklebustersonly]
hohbomb73 Offline
D.E.A

Registered: 04/02/06
Posts: 1728
Loc: in da hood
You know, Terminators...
those cheezy "Lance Armstrong" type sunglasses that were popular in the 80's with the dorky, sport-o, jock types...
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#403450 - 01/09/08 04:50 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: hohbomb73]
hohbomb73 Offline
D.E.A

Registered: 04/02/06
Posts: 1728
Loc: in da hood
...I think cops like 'em too!
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#403456 - 01/09/08 05:10 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
Blades™ Offline
Spawner

Registered: 08/22/06
Posts: 637
Loc: La La Land
 Originally Posted By: Abu-Loomis
 Originally Posted By: Blades™
LOL I amitted to my love for men? Your funny Abu Abu. Have you had some problems with cops? Is this a touchy subject? HAHA your girlfriend hohbomb lol



Yes, remember your said your gay just for hohbomb? If you need your memory jogged I'll find that quote when I have more time. If my only experience with cops was here, then yes I have a problem with cops. In general? No not really, but there does seem to be a larger amount of dickheads in law enforcement...Later


Jake

LOL you think I was serious when I said that only to make hohbomb shut the F*ck up? LOL!!

LOL 1/2 WIT
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#403458 - 01/09/08 05:21 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: Blades™]
hohbomb73 Offline
D.E.A

Registered: 04/02/06
Posts: 1728
Loc: in da hood
Did it work?


...1/4 WIT!
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#403461 - 01/09/08 05:25 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: hohbomb73]
Blades™ Offline
Spawner

Registered: 08/22/06
Posts: 637
Loc: La La Land
No because your dumb ass keeps bringing old stupid shiat that nobody f*cking cares about except you!
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#403480 - 01/09/08 06:08 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
Dave D Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 10/04/01
Posts: 3640
Loc: Gold Bar

More people are killed every year driving on antihistamines they take for colds then from DUI's.

It's all about what they can test and what the majority of society finds permissible.
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#403491 - 01/09/08 06:27 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: Dave D]
Blades™ Offline
Spawner

Registered: 08/22/06
Posts: 637
Loc: La La Land
All I ask is for is for Abu Abu to keep my name out of his posts its that simple. been asking this for months!!!
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#403496 - 01/09/08 06:37 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
seastrike Offline
Hey Man....It's cool...

Registered: 08/18/02
Posts: 4323
Loc: seattle
Hey Abu
Apparently Dr. Phil has canceled his show about Britney Spears's latest breakdown. Maybe he can take that day to help you with your Blades facination.

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#403499 - 01/09/08 06:41 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: seastrike]
Knucklebustersonly Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/07/06
Posts: 2561
Loc: WA
LOL!!!

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