WA Chinook and steelhead stock have been listed since the early 90s. How do those stocks look now, after 20+ years of rebuilding? Now, compare that to species like the Whooping Crane, California Condor, California Gray Whale, Peregrine who were all listed quite a while ago. What is their current population versus that at listing? Whatever we have done for the last 20 years simply has not worked. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is not all that smart.