nwmallard:
“I've got to share a dirty secret with you. The WDFW did not clip any of the hatchery fish for several years”

Here’s the deal. As judge Hogan said and the NMFS (NOAA) admitted in the federal register there is a very good chance that there are NO “wild” salmon or steelhead. That is because hatchery fish have been mingling with wild stocks for years and years. We need to get past this worship of a “wild” fish which allows the various parties to play us against each other. We should use the word “native” which describes the 5 salmon, the rainbow trout (including steelhead) and a couple of Cutthroats that were here when Lewis and Clark came out.

Rob Allen:
“they are irresponsible people who don't deserve to own land. PERIOD!!!!!”

Rob, Rob, Rob, Do you think that there are no fishermen in that whole bunch? I doubt that any of them want their streams and other waters despoiled. I’d guess that they would negotiate with the sportsmen if they considered the consequences. By the way you don’t get to negotiate for me. We’ll call you if there’s an impasse and you can make them an offer they can’t refuse.

Federal Register: August 18, 1997 (Volume 62, Number 159)]
Oncorhynchus mykiss exhibit one of the most complex suites of life
history traits of any salmonid species. Oncorhynchus mykiss may exhibit anadromy (meaning they migrate as juveniles from fresh water to the ocean, and then return to spawn in fresh water) or freshwater residency (meaning they reside their entire life in fresh water). Resident forms are usually referred to as ``rainbow'' or ``redband'' trout, while anadromous life forms are termed ``steelhead.'' Few detailed studies have been conducted regarding the relationship between resident and anadromous O. mykiss and as a result, the relationship between these two life forms is poorly understood. Recently the scientific name for the biological species that includes both steelhead and rainbow trout was changed from Salmo gairdneri to O. mykiss. This change reflects the premise that all trouts from western North America share a common lineage with Pacific salmon.


Judge Hogan Hits A Homer: Oregon Coastal Coho Listing Is Unlawful

On September 10, 2001, United States District Judge Michael R. Hogan issued a long-awaited ruling in a case brought by the Alsea Valley Alliance challenging the 1998 Endangered Species Act listing of Oregon coastal coho salmon. There are, of course, no endangered salmon species; all the listings are premised upon expansive language in section 3(16) of the Act permitting listings of "any distinct population segment of vertebrate fish or wildlife which interbreeds when mature..................


..................As for the second option, Judge Hogan warned NMFS that it "does not appear to be possible". Among other things, Judge Hogan advised that the hatchery and natural runs "share the same rivers, habitat and seasonal runs" and most of the so-called "natural" fish are in fact the offspring of hatchery fish. Indeed, Judge Hogan noted that "NMFS considers progeny of hatchery fish that are born in the wild as "naturally spawned" coho that deserve listing protection................