I do have to agree that they are a good hook at half the price. whether they are better than Gamakatsu or not is debatable. I fish spinners more than anything else and will pay any amount for good swivels. Vision's are the best, no question. Just one question Joe (AKA Superfly), when you make a post like that why don't you come right out and say that you are the "Product Manager" for Vision Hooks and Tackle?