Accepted, as I hope mine was. That attitude (being able to apologize) is what separates men from idiots....... Grandpa, I agree that this thread has gone on a long time, but when people can talk and agree to disagree, apologize when necessary (such as the gentleman above did), and LISTEN at the very least to all involved, then discussions such as this can be very productive and rewarding. I now feel that although BW and I may not agree on all points, that I would be happy to share a cold one and a day of fishing with him..... And probably be able to call him friend. How can that be a negative thing??

Hats off to you BW.......

MC