Salmo does that stream tech appear to be a rig worthy of fishing all the time. I am getting closer to pulling the trigger on a raft. I have been looking at the Outcast pac 1300, they come with the new nrs frame, but that st looks like the sh!t. I think the only way I could get the ole ladies permission for an 8k raft is to give up my db also. Bantam was drooling over it as we were talking last night. Sorrry for the hijack Coley.