Parker

One quick answer before I go any further. You asked me; " OK, CFM, let's hear all these rivers where I can go to RIGHT NOW and can CONSISTANTLY see MULTIPLE people using leaders in the 8'10' range and flossing fish??????"

Ask any shall receive! Here is your own answer from an earlier post by you, Quote; Oh sure, I've seen lining/flossing/snagging on all our WA rivers, but not like the cowing crowd on the Cow.

Parker, you know that Flossing/lining only works well when fish are stacked up. Thus, anytime the large runs of hatchery fish return, you can likely find or see flossing/lining occurring. As just one quick example, try viewing the meat hole or the hatchery at the Lewis when the silvers are in! Or try the salmon hatchery at the Elochoman or the Neselle or the North fork of the Toutle and the Green. It may not be happening "right now" but it will be happening soon . . . trust me!

Ok, I got to walk the rest of the guys through the park one more time or they won't be able to go to sleep on this flossing/lining thing! Maybe you may want to ride along with me and enjoy the ride! If you do, try to roll down that tinted window and look real closely, and maybe then you will see even more questions answered!

Someone, (not you Parker) may have been insinuating that I may be a promoter of flossing/lining . . . if so, dream on!

Now back to flossing/lining:

Can any of you guys please explain to me how one person can say that another person who is using an 8-12 foot leader with a "corky" or yarn attached to it is breaking the law?

Forget you're BS, and please tell all of us what law, rule or regulation supports YOUR opinion, that someone is breaking the "law" or someone is breaking some "unwritten ethical fishing rule" because they are using a 8-12 foot leader! Again, forget the "standard" BS attempt by repeating that worthless lamebrain ambiguous statement in the regs that says; "Attempting to take a fish with a hook and line in such a way the fish does not voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth".

Maybe Parker, or some other fishery expert can you explain or tell us why so many older studies that were supposedly done by science over years had claimed that once a salmon enter the fresh water, their stomachs start to close shut! Has that theory changed now? If it hasn't, why then would a fish want to "voluntarily" eat or bit your guys bait? Was it just a "bad habit" that the fish can't get over?

By the way, what moral law says that it is unethical to attempt to hook a fish in its mouth? Do you really think that fish "voluntarily" takes anyone's hook? Don't you try to fool the fish with covering your hooks with some kind of disguise like a natural looking bait? Do you think that fish will "voluntarily" eat baits if he knew there was a hidden hook in it?

What a bunch of crap! The only reason he takes that hook is because we "the fishermen" have cleverly disguised that damn hook with a piece of bait, egg, feather, shrimp, hearing, sardine, or whatever!

That's a good one! Who makes up these "ethical rules" and where in the hell can you get a clear copy of them (you know, the one that everyone can agree to)?


Steelheader69:

Somewhere you must have misunderstood me. I have never said that I have worked/ or have worked for the State! I have "voluntarily" worked with many of WDFW staff, but I have never worked for WDFW or the State.

If you recall, when referred to the Satsop, I was referring to the "Mouth of the Satsop" where it runs into the Chehalis. The upper Satsop is so darn small most of the time, that you got to step out of the way of the drift boats! The last time I was at the mouth (about 2 or 3 years ago) there were still plenty of guys that were flossing and lining! Like I said, it only happens when the fish are stacked up. But long before they were using those longer leaders, there was a "ton of fish" being flossed with the shorter leader on the Satsop.

The way I remember the upper part of the Satsop, at lots of places, a 10 foot leader would almost put you all the way across the river. Has that changed?

Cowlitzfisherman