Originally Posted By: freespool
Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie
Over fishing, Over harvest whatever you choose to call it gets my vote along with all these other factors mentioned including ocean conditions starting with A in the alphabet of Acidification http://www.ocean-acidification.net/OAdocs/SPM-lorezv2.pdf and moving on to the other letters of the alphabet from there. I'll add disease and pollution to the list started.

Cancer harms the body when damaged cells divide uncontrollably to form lumps or masses of tissue called tumors.

IMO overfishing was the start of this cancer that began the weakening process and all the other factors or pieces of the puzzle could be the death blow if not managed correctly.

So weak, that since we have moved out of the CR to the OP I’ll add PS to the list where a quilt of woven gill nets across these tribs or rivers could and has extirpated runs of fish.



So why would fisheries scientists ignore over harvest as a limiting factor for recovery?
Clearly hundreds of scientific stock assessments show habitat as the limiting factor for recovery, yet you say it's over harvest.
Other than a gut feeling, can you show any data that shows where this is really a factor.


Are you serious? That's the real problem with our fisheries. They're managed by paper.... It's accepted that these LCR tribs meet low escapement #'s set on paper....

Shut down a LCR trib or two for 6-8 years and see what happens. The Wind River is a prime example. Eliminate gear fisherman and you'll elimate 75% of the pressure... Not that I want to see it happen, I've come to realize you can't have your cake and eat it too....

So much goes on in these tribs that people don't see, it's sick. Everyone assumes as an honest fisherman the fish just come back, some get CnR'd and then they spawn and go to the ocean. Over the years being on the rivers 250 days a year you see a lot of [censored].... Examples, people fishing closed waters, people retaining wild steelhead, finding gillnets in rivers actively fishing and gillnets along shore lines that had been fished... So much goes on that people don't know about, it's sickening.

Keith
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