my dad views on Union Carpenters wasnt that they were shotty, lazy, uneducated, or any of that, he didnt like the workings of the unions... just like with all companies, union or not, there are hack players on the team, that give the rest of them a bad name....

my dad, and the people that worked for him, that i learned from, are far from "rat" carpenters as well...

i dont really like the terms that either side uses when refering to the other, because there is some very good, very smart guys on both sides of the field...