my other uncle is a Union Carpenter, and couldnt hold the guys that ive worked with jock strap...

like i said, there are hacks on both sides DD...

we had union guys come in on jobs and screw 4 million dollar houses up because they didnt measure right on the lower section of the house so all the doors were 4 inches shorter than they should have been... on 12 inch thick decorative concrete walls that were the entire bottom of the house... each one of the doors with the exception of the 6 panel were around 15k each, and none of them would fit....

that said, we also had non union guys come in and screw things up too...

and for the record, that other uncle, is a hack, he used to be all proud around my dad, but he got set straight real quick... actions speak louder than words...