To piggyback on Rivrguy, if what survives is what successfully spawns what does it take for a salmon, today, to spawn? Especially when we fish the **ck out of the hatchery runs-in the 80-90% rate. They don't bite, they migrate through the bays where and when the nets aren't out, the migrate so the seals don't see them (in small groups or singly??), and so on. Should come as no surprise that there are, or were, a lot of coho in PS streams that showed up after the nets went after chum.

If we constantly remove 90+% of the run for us to eat what's left has to rather good at evading us. I suspect that if we went back to purely wild runs, with the necessary low harvests to let 50-75% spawn, that hook and line fishing would be better in terms of fish per hour but we could only take relatively few. And, if Ricker was right, they would be bigger.